Comment from Meagan
Time: April 21, 2007, 8:22 pm

You do know that lesbians and transgendered people are completely different entities right? Lesbians are girls/women who are sexually attracted to other girls/women. Transgendered people are men who identify as being women or female, or women who identify as being men or male. The person who wrote this article seems to have gotten transgendered people and lesbians confused. That’s a pretty big mistake, like confusing a giraffe for a polar bear.

Thanks.

Comment from Marius
Time: April 21, 2007, 8:32 pm

Meagan, you know so much. wow

Thanks

Comment from HammerI’m
Time: April 21, 2007, 8:47 pm

I’m not confused, she is. She’s still in high school. There’s no way she’s old enough to know what she is, so at this point, lesbian or transgender are simply labels.

This girl has stated she has no intentions of undergoing hormone treatments or a sex change operation. She has a girlfriend. That makes her a lesbian and since she’s the masculine variety, some would call her a bull dyke.

She says she feels more comfortable acting like a man and considers herself to be transgender.

I say she’s a lesbian. The kind that likes to cut her hair short and wear mens clothing and act masculine, but still a lesbian.

Comment from Mr. Fabulous
Time: April 22, 2007, 3:34 pm

You know, in the interests of full disclosure, I sometimes think of myself as a guy as well.

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 22, 2007, 6:22 pm

I think of myself as a guy too, but just like you, Mr. Fabulous, I have a penis and a Y chromosome.

If things keep going the way they are, we’ll need to require DNA tests before someone is allowed to run for Miss America or prom king. Oh wait… I guess we won’t need to test someone running for prom king, at least in California, because the law allows a woman to run anyway.

Comment from Rae
Time: April 22, 2007, 10:03 pm

Can’t you just kill me and get it over with instead of making it a long drawn out process? In the end, your words isolate and persecute (whether you meant to or not) gays and trans. This cutting down with words and unvoiced threats serves to keep GLBT folks in their place, second class status. In plain words, this kind of talk makes me feel bad, like getting yelled at by my dad or boss.

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 22, 2007, 10:39 pm

This has nothing to do with gay or transgender rights, it has everything to do with common sense. Girls don’t belong in the Boy Scouts and boys don’t belong in the Girl Scouts.

I wonder what this school would do if a boy ran for prom queen? If schools want to make a joke of a tradition, this is certainly a good way to go about it.

Comment from AliceKK
Time: April 22, 2007, 10:58 pm

The point here is: Hammer may be enlightened on a few subjects, but his mental capacity to understand someone’s turmoil in the fight to discover who they are is very low… Very low.

You’re right about one thing H, it has nothing to do with just transgendered and gays, because its a human issue, that all of us, as we evolve, are having to deal with. Gender neutrality and gender traditions are dying, and when people like big H here are dead, hopefully, gender norms will be erased and people can act like they want, and how they feel… not how some society assumes it should be cuz some muscley man and big titted woman does it.

Comment from Dan
Time: April 22, 2007, 11:42 pm

“I say she’s a lesbian” - Actually, you have no say in it. Identity and the right to choose how one identifies is the right of the individual concerned.

“Girls don’t belong in the Boy Scouts and boys don’t belong in the Girl Scouts” - And women should stay in the kitchen, men out earning a crust?!

This isn’t about gender… it appears to about a bunch of misogynist little boys who are so insecure that they need to attack others in order to feel better about themselves.

Comment from Mark
Time: April 23, 2007, 12:57 am

And you know what the sad thing is — or one of the sad things (there are many)? The students will probably vote for this confused child just because it’ll be different, not because it’s the right thing to do.

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 23, 2007, 6:48 am

Some of you keep wanting to make this about my opinion of gays, lesbians and transgenders and missing the point of my post, but so far it seems like the minority is more outspoken. What else is new? This is exactly the reason that the moral minority has such a strong influence. They’re the only ones that speak up.

Just out of curiousity, but suppose the girl won as king and the queen, a straight girl had to dance with her/him for pictures in the yearbook. Since you’re all so concerned about the gay girl’s feelings, what about the queen’s feelings? Oh… I forgot, it’s all about you, isnt’ it?

Dan, I’m not attacking anyone. I’m sure she’s a very nice girl and I have no problem with her sexual preference or how she chooses to dress. What I’m saying is that we are taking things too far when a minority that wants to express themselves is allowed to force the majority to do something they don’t want to do. I suppose you think smokers should be allowed to smoke on planes too, right?

I agree Mark, and I haven’t heard the results of the election yet, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the students voted her in just to be funny. Then again, I also wouldn’t be surprised if a bucket of pig’s blood was involved like in Steven King’s ‘Carrie’, about another person that had no business running for prom royalty.

Comment from andi m
Time: April 23, 2007, 8:09 am

i’m transgender myself, but i really don’t have a problem with this dude expressing an opinion. ok, the wanting to puke thing is a bit ott, but whatevs.
as for the prom queen not having a choice as to whether she wants to dance with the prom king, that’s hardly a big deal. i’m sure there have been plenty of prom queens who couldn’t stand their kings. what’s the difference between not wanting to dance with someone because you don’t like their sexuality or gender, or because you don’t like their dandruff or bad breath? let’s face it fellow fags and trannies, some people just don’t like us.

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 23, 2007, 8:39 am

Thanks for you comment Andi M, but this has nothing to do with whether I like you or not and the puke comment has nothing to do with my personal feelings about gay or transgender people. I consider myself to be very tolerant and definitely not a homophobe, but no matter how badly a woman wants to be a man or to be treated like one, she will never be a man. At least not until such time as scientists come up with a way to alter their DNA. Oh… there’s another thought that makes me queasy.

Check out Buck Angel’s MySpace page. http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=55454878

Despite the fact that this woman has gone to great extremes to appear to be a man, including surgery and hormone injections, she still has a vagina and has no plans to get a penis. She prefers shocking and fooling people, just like Cinthia.

Comment from Lafayette
Time: April 23, 2007, 8:46 am

I guess most of the people who felt accused or pointed at are becoming paranoid just because they’re part of a minority. It’s a kind of “is it because i’m gay” (or lesbian, tran, whatever) instead of a “is it because i’m black”. Fact is, segregation is over, slavery too, and it’s almost “fashionable” to be gay in some part of the globe. I, as a European, don’t consider Hammer’s article offensive for many reasons. He’s just pointing out a funny event and says how he feels about it, and most important, how it reflects what’s happening in our society. I don’t feel Hammer is a homophobic person neither a racist, he’s just a European guy trapped in an American body . I myself, have a whole lotta gay friends cause i live in the big city, and i can tell you that this prom dragking thing made them laugh loud too.

Andi => That’s right, you’re persecuted, but not by those you think you are. Hammer is against any form of censorship and writes articles about people like Mr Phelps (who’s the real danger), defending guys (or girls whatever) like you.

Comment from jlo
Time: April 23, 2007, 8:43 pm

You: “Some of you keep wanting to make this about my opinion of gays, lesbians and transgenders and missing the point of my post”
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Maybe that’s because you fail to articulate your point very well.

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You: “Just out of curiousity, but suppose the girl won as king and the queen, a straight girl had to dance with her/him for pictures in the yearbook. Since you’re all so concerned about the gay girl’s feelings, what about the queen’s feelings? Oh… I forgot, it’s all about you, isnt’ it?”
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In one instance you bemoan tyranny by the minority (damn those vocal minorities noisily demanding respect!) but now you show pique because a “queen” would have to dance with a “king” voted so by a majority of her peers. You gotta pick your poison and stick with it.
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You: “What I’m saying is that we are taking things too far when a minority that wants to express themselves is allowed to force the majority to do something they don’t want to do. I suppose you think smokers should be allowed to smoke on planes too, right?”
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How is the minority forcing anyone to do anything here? The law you deride as “idiotic” (I’m sure without ever reading it) was passed by a legislature who won their positions by majority vote; the girl in question is free to run as “king”, but it’s a majority of her peers who will decide if she is worthy or not - again, how would that result “force the majority to do something they don’t want to do”? It’s exactly what the majority wants to do apparently.

Finally, your strawman proposition that somehow electing a girl “king” at a meaningless prom is the same thing as deciding by vote whether smoking should be allowed on planes really is idiotic. Smoking kills people and is one of the foremost health threats facing our country, which is hardly equitable to the threat you think a loosening of gender identity poses to your imaginary “majority”.

Comment from AliceKK
Time: April 24, 2007, 3:32 am

Thank you jlo, you said everything I wanted to say, but didnt know how to say it.

I don’t dislike Hammer for this, and I think he’s a funny guy, but come on… How can you belittle so many people’s feelings and not even budge. You aren’t 100% right on this one and jlo pretty much slammed it in your face.

of course, because it’s always about you (isnt that what blogs are for?) you’ll be too ignorant to even understand this.

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 24, 2007, 7:55 am

Laws are passed all the time that the majority doesn’t agree with, Jlo. A law was passed to remove religion from schools and yet the majority of the country is clearly religious and the majority of them are Christians.

AliceKK - Jlo didn’t slam anything in my face other than his/her opinions, which I don’t agree with. Why should I budge? Because you’re gay and think Jlo is right?

The fact that I won’t change my position after reading Jlo’s bloviating makes me no more ignorant than those of you that won’t change your opinions after reading what I had to say.

These comments prove my point. The minority is speaking and think they’re winning their argument because the majority isn’t taking the time to reply.

No one ever writes a letter to the editor when they agree.

Like it says under my logo. “You’re entitled to my opinion”.

If you don’t agree with all of them, you’re normal, if you don’t agree with any, stop reading my blog.

Comment from Lafayette
Time: April 24, 2007, 8:41 am

i agree with all of them, does that mean i’m not normal? are YOU saying i’m not like the OTHERS? So you’re insulting me because, UNLIKE the other people that don’t agree to everything, i agree with all that you say? I feel SHOCKED that a guy like you could insult his own readers. I’m leaving this blog RIGHT NOW.

…….NOT!

j/k

Comment from Lafayette
Time: April 24, 2007, 9:32 am

funny how none of the nicks here commented on this one

http://www.hammeruncut.com/god-responsible-for-massacre-at-virginia-tech-says-pastor-fred-phelps/

I guess the theory that when you agree, you don’t post, is true.

Comment from jlo
Time: April 24, 2007, 12:29 pm

bloviate
- To bloviate (pronounced BLOW-vee-ayt) is to speak or write overexpansively or with undue grandiosity. It suggests a derivation from to blow, meaning to boast. The term has gained some currency through distribution over Web chat forums and on Web sites.
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You know, Hammer, before you start throwing around the bluster and labeling my response to your post as bloviated opinion (textbook projection), you could just address my straightforward questions:

- How is the fact that the Ca. legislature is elected by a majority my opinion?

- How is the fact that a prom “king” is elected by a majority of his/her peers my opinion?

- How is the fact that smoking is one of the worst health risks facing our nation my opinion?
And finally, if all of these things are my opinion, why not try and refute them with contradictory facts?

For example, your statement: “Laws are passed all the time that the majority doesn’t agree with, Jlo. A law was passed to remove religion from schools and yet the majority of the country is clearly religious and the majority of them are Christians.”

First, the vast majority of laws will not pass without the clear support of the majority of voters - otherwise, that majority out there which does not support that law will voice their disapproval by replacing their legislators. So, basic self-preservation will keep our legislatures from passing laws that do not enjoy wide support. Did you miss Civics 101?

The second part of your statement is even more ridiculous and truly reveals the weakness of your chosen position since you cannot provide one example of a law passed to remove religion from schools – because such a thing is non-existent.

Apparently you also missed Logical Fallacies 101 as you once again prop up another bewildering non-sequitur strawman characterization of the debate that bears no connection to reality.

The long evolution of secularizing our public schools has been fought out in the Judiciary Branch, not the Legislature. The Judiciary does not pass laws. The recognition of the impropriety of religious indoctrination in public institutions in light of the First Amendment Establishment Clause has been public-policy driven. There was no single piece of legislation passed which in one stroke removed religious indoctrination from US public schools. This is a constitutional issue, not a legislative one. When the majority of the public’s values contradict the constitutionally protected rights of a discrete minority (in this case, Catholics, Jews, Moslems, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc.) the minority must prevail or our constitution is reduced to a mere abstraction to be manipulated according to popular whim.

Seriously, you have no substantive point in your post excoriating a young woman bravely pushing the boundaries of social constructs like gender identity.

Sincerely, the bloviater

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 24, 2007, 1:50 pm

bloviate - to speak pompously

“And finally, if all of these things are my opinion, why not try and refute them with contradictory facts?”

You seem to be under the impression that I care to debate this issue with you. I do not.

opinion
1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2. a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

I offered my opinion. I do not feel the need to prove that I’m right or you’re wrong.

I do agree with you, however, that she is indeed a brave young girl.

Comment from Lafayette
Time: April 24, 2007, 6:36 pm

brave, young, and confused and fugly too

Comment from AliceKK
Time: April 24, 2007, 8:05 pm

Thank you hammer for assuming im a homosexual because i simply have an opinion in contradiction to yours in this matter. way to be ignorant.

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 24, 2007, 8:13 pm

“Thank you hammer for assuming im a homosexual because i simply have an opinion in contradiction to yours in this matter. way to be ignorant.”

I didn’t assume anything. You’re using the nick AliceKK and I looked at your MySpace page where I saw your photo and read this:

Orientation: Gay

“Looks don’t mean too much, but I like guys who take care of themselves… If I am not sexually attracted to you then I’ll just be your friend… Sorry. But think of it as incentive! I like guys who are nerds, into gaming, computers, reading. Good stuff. I am my own person and I am not going to spend all my time with you.”

Now, who’s being ignorant?

Can I get an OWNED?

Comment from Lafayette
Time: April 24, 2007, 11:17 pm

OWNED

Comment from AliceKK
Time: April 25, 2007, 2:41 am

No you can’t get an owned, i didnt think you wouldve checked my myspace.

Not really worth an owned.

Also, i dont think you understand the term ignorant. Why were you visiting my myspace in the first place? got a crush?

Comment from Hammer
Time: April 25, 2007, 7:10 am

I visit everyone’s site that posts a comment if they link to a website. It’s smart business when you run a blog. I also don’t say anything before knowing the facts.

And yes, you were OWNED. Pretending to be something you’re not in an attempt to make me look homophobic was a silly thing to do and certainly didn’t help your cause.

Comment from Lafayette
Time: April 25, 2007, 11:29 am

by placing yourself in the center of the target all the time and jumping on everyone that makes fun of gays and trans, you are the narrow minded. In fact I’m a jew, and i find the jokes about the Jews the funniest, cause Jews know how to make fun of themselves.

Cause if the censorship strikes everytime someone makes fun of a gay, a black man, a religious, or a prophet (see what happened in europe with mahomet drawings), just because it supposely “hurt” someone’s feelings, we will end up having no humorists, no satires, a fucking bleached sense of humor always between the bounds of the “politicaly correct”. Speaking about pushing the boundaries ?

Comment from Lafayette
Time: April 25, 2007, 11:31 am

And AliceKK, yes you were OWNED, by the books.

Comment from wrbpilot
Time: April 26, 2007, 9:19 am

First, re pigs reported circling overhead. check out this link. Flying pigs are not only found in Cincinnati, they have started a marathon as well!!! If Cincinnati has had a lesbian running for prom king, they were closet lesbians since it has not made the news. IMHO, gays in Cincinnati complain about how republicans ( the majority party) make their lives so miserable. The republicans retort by commenting on how much gays ruin cincinnati with their outrageous lifestyle.

And now, for something completely different. AliceKK, why did you post on myspace if you don’t want people to check it out???

Comment from OWNED
Time: April 27, 2007, 9:07 am

Here’s your owned

To all you people supporting this freak:

It’s time for society to put their foot down and say enough is enough. If we give the freaks of society (bull dykes, trannies, etc. NOT gay/lesbian - don’t even go there) something they want, they just keep wanting more. You are a woman (gay or straight), you get the position designated for the woman. Period. End of story.

You can have your sick lifestyles, keep it to yourself. Stop shoving it down our throats and constantly whining and demanding respect. You EARN respect not demand it, and trying to corrupt the traditions of the modern world is not a way to earn respect.

As for tolerance, if we normal people don’t bend over backwards on their every whim we are intolerant. They don’t tolerate anything that doesn’t benefit or elevate them. Bam! There goes the tolerance argument.

Prom king and queen. One man one woman. EQUALITY is what all the women claim to want. Now they want TWO women in the spotlight! Equality my ass!

But if you were to allow a guy to be both king and queen you’d hear all the feminist bitches whining about sexism. Truly amazing how “equality” works, eh?

Comment from ichbinjenny
Time: April 27, 2007, 1:56 pm

Wow. You (Owned, et al) really do have some issues. If you want the LGBT community to “stop shoving [our livestyles] down [your] throat,” perhaps you should do the same. We listen politely at the watercooler as you delightfully talk about your weekend with the wife and kiddies.

We’re not pushing or selling anything, except for the idea of equality. True equality, where I am the same as you, regardless of gender, race, sexuality, age, (and the list goes on).

Let others be who they are, and who they want to be. This isn’t difficult, really. Let this girl run for prom king. If she wins, good for her. If not, heck — she put up a good fight.

Comment from Owned
Time: April 28, 2007, 12:58 pm

True equality, right.

So, how about my last two statements? Can you say that’s false?

Comment from disappointed
Time: June 23, 2007, 1:26 am

Oh damn. I just discovered your blog tonight and liked it so much I am pages deep in archives at nearly 3am. I was having a lot of fun, until now. I thought you were very smart and funny. Now I know you are a bigoted asshole. oops. What a waste of sleep time.

Comment from Hammer
Time: June 23, 2007, 7:53 am

I’m sorry to hear that, Disappointed, because I don’t consider disagreeing with gender jumping to be bigotry. I’m disappointed that you would discard everything someone says as a waste of time when you disagree with one thing they say. Seriously, do you think it’s important to agree with everything someone else believes in order to like them? I don’t even agree with everything my own parents or my wife believe, but I still love and respect them.

Comment from RandomNeko
Time: July 11, 2007, 3:45 pm

frankly I think I dont want a female prom king. From my own personal experience I have found that in highschool noone really knows what they are. its covered in clicks and groups trying to find their role in society, these days kids go from straight to gay to bisexual and back again in a matter of days. If you remove the boundries that allowed young adults to define gender boundries then what kind of social backbone will they have to rely on, what will help them define their role in life? Sometimes the issue isnt about equality, social acceptability, or all that PC crap. Sometimes its about maintaining a stable foundation for our society to thrive on. I have no problem with you changing your role later in life but our youth need something solid to help them find their own truth. When you decide to change long standing traditions and break down what little order there is in the highschool social hierarchy whats going to happen? We already have parents babying their children until they become the “Emo” teenagers we see today. They are completly unprepared for the harsh realities they will soon have to confront. If a child grows up not know what a man and a women is then what boundries will he have when dealing with the opposite sex at a young age?